Can we say NO??? How much more ridiculous can we get people?
MIAMI — Florida drivers can order more than 100 specialty license plates celebrating everything from manatees to the Miami Heat, but one now under consideration would be the first in the nation to explicitly promote a specific religion.
This is SOO wrong. There is no freaking way that this should be allowable by law. Normally the proceeds of these plates go to individual charities, so are we going to give government money to Churches?
The Florida Legislature is considering a specialty plate with a design that includes a Christian cross, a stained-glass window and the words “I Believe.”
Rep. Edward Bullard, the plate’s sponsor, said people who “believe in their college or university” or “believe in their football team” already have license plates they can buy. The new design is a chance for others to put a tag on their cars with “something they believe in,” he said.
If the plate is approved, Florida would become the first state to have a license plate featuring a religious symbol that’s not part of a college logo. Approval would almost certainly face a court challenge.
Darn tootin’ you’ll see a court challenge and I sure as heck hope that the judge that oversees the case summarily throws this cocked idea out on it’s butt…
The problem with the state manufacturing the plate is that it “sends a message that Florida is essentially a Christian state” and, second, gives the “appearance that the state is endorsing a particular religious preference,” said Howard Simon, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida.
The “I Believe” license plate still has a way to go before it reaches the roads. The proposal is part of a package of license plates being debated in the Senate and ready for a floor vote. In the House, the bill that would authorize the plate has passed one committee 8-2. The Legislature’s annual session ends May 2.
Some lawmakers say the state should be careful. Rep. Kelly Skidmore said she is a Roman Catholic and goes to Mass on Sundays, but she believes the “I Believe” plate is inappropriate for the government to produce.
“It’s not a road I want to go down. I don’t want to see the Star of David next. I don’t want to see a Torah next. None of that stuff is appropriate to me,” said Skidmore, a Democrat who voted against the plate in committee. “I just believe that.”
Rep. Skidmore is spot on here. There is no reason for the Government to be sponsoring religion of any sort. This idea is just WRONG!
Florida’s specialty license plates require the payment of additional fees, some of which go to causes the plates endorse.
One plate approved in 2004, displaying the motto “Family First,” funds Sheridan House, which provides family programs but also sees its purpose as “sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Bible” and “information about the Christian faith.”
This one should have never gotten approval and they should stop making this plate period. There is no reason for this type of plate to exist.
The bill creating the “I Believe” plate would also create an “In God We Trust” plate to benefit the children of soldiers and law enforcement officers whose parents have died. It also could face opposition as a violation of the separation of church and state.
You have got to love that, mix religion into it, and throw some veterans stuff in to come up with a way to try and make it “kosher”. Why not a simple plate that says, “We Honor Our Troops”.
A “Trust God” license plate was proposed in Florida in 2003. It would have given money to Christian radio stations and charities, but was never produced.
Very good…
Earlier this year, a legislative committee was shown an image of a “Trinity” plate that showed a Christlike figure with his arms outstretched. It and two other plates were voted down.
The group asking for the “I Believe” plate, the Orlando-based nonprofit Faith in Teaching Inc., supports faith-based schools activities. The plate would cost drivers an extra $25 annual fee.
Approving the plate could open the state to legal challenges, according to Josie Brown, who teaches constitutional law at the University of South Carolina. And it’s not certain who would win.
“It would be an interesting close call,” Brown said.
Simon, of the ACLU, said approval of the plate could prompt many other groups to seek their own designs, and they could claim discrimination if their plans were rejected. That could even allow the Ku Klux Klan to get a plate, Simon said.
Bullard, the plate’s sponsor, isn’t sure all groups should be able to express their preference. If atheists came up with an “I Don’t Believe” plate, for example, he would probably oppose it.
I’ve got an idea, let’s leave the religion to individuals, and leave the government out of it?
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I love the Christian license Plate, and so does the majority. This country was based on Christian principals. We’ve lost so many of our Christian rights, it’s time we took some back. We the MAJORITY of AMERICANS in Florida, and I’m sure in other states want the license plate! If you don’t like it, don’t buy it.
That’s not the point. The point is government dollars giving money to Churches. Now if you want to donate x amount of money to any church organization, feel free to do it. But, tax dollars should not be doing this.
Hey Yvonne,
We are not a country based on christian principals..this is the biggest misconception that fundies have…try reading the Treaty of Tripoli sometime. So I guess you would be ok with a Darwin tag that reads “I believe in the truth and not fairy tales”.
… will cause alot of controversy, is true. Some will be happy, some will cry “foul” …. but look deeper, and remember the past …. I can guess that in the beginning, the yellow stars of Europe were offered in much the same way … be careful what you wish for.
Im Athiest/agnostic But I totally agree with you Ann. And yvonne your wrong. This country was founded on seperation of church and state- remember the pilgrams didnt want to be protastant. Freedom not only of religion, but freedom from religion has made this country great. When was the last time you were arrested for missing church? Thats freedom FROM religion.
Most people who believe in the Bible never read it - Jesus:”Give to Cesar what is Cesar’s and God that is God’s.” Hmm - could that mean a seperation of state and religion? Sure would of stopped the christian persecution wouldnt it?
If you want to proclaim your faith, or beliefs, theres bumper stickers you can buy, and are not associated with any govt agency.
How about a plate that just say “I Believe” and omit the cross and stain glass window. That will end the controversy about religion.
It is not government giving money to churces, it is individuals who choose to pay extra for this type of plate. In Indiana we already have the “In God We Trust” plate and it is great. YOU DO NO THAVE TO BUY IT, AND YES THIS IS A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY. If you want to sport a muslim plate then go live in a muslim country, this is America, and God willing we can keep it that way. I am not a very religious person, but cherish and respect the fact that this is what America stands for -
Wheres the problem here? Nothing wrong with religious free speech.. I ahve no problem as long a it’s your own statement and as long as its not a teacher or some other authority figure cercing you to pray thier way… I would amend the bill by making similar plates availble with a star of David, Islamic crescent, Buddhist sangha wheel, Wiccan symbols, satanic symbols.. Bring it on.. and spend the revenue on tolerance education… Make the Christo-fascists stew in their own gravy… (:-))))!
I believe the constitution says seperation of church and state. So putting church into a state license plate does not really make a lot of sense. Aside from the questions of where is the money going from these plates? Talk about special interests!!!! Hang a cross on your window.
the white house takes its marching orders from the Amerikan Taliban. The Supreme Court takes its marching orders from the Amerikan Taliban. The last Congress took its marching orders from the Amerikan Taliban, but that is not enough for them. Now, they want taxpayer-funded license plates. I, for one, am fed up with the facist christians constantly whining that somehow, they are an oppressed minority. Here. In this country.
the white house takes its marching orders from the Amerikan Taliban. The Supreme Court takes its marching orders from the Amerikan Taliban. The last Congress took its marching orders from the Amerikan Taliban, but that is not enough for them. Now, they want taxpayer-funded license plates. I, for one, am fed up with the fascist christians constantly whining that somehow, they are an oppressed minority. Here. In this country.
I have no real issue with the notion of a tailored license plate. Yet, I do believe that, generally, religions (including Christianity) basically do one important thing: they teach us to hold the belief that our lives can make a difference; this belief is the essence of the human condition. In this regard, the “I Believe” on the proposed license plate makes really good sense. The use of the cross and stained-glass windows only reduces the symbology to Christian belief systems. Why not simply have the beautiful sunset scene with the statement, “I Believe”? Any readers of this message are more than welcome to read my lyrics (and hear the melody) in a recently-composed song titled “I Believe” at peterpardine.com
Which Christian? Some say that as an LDS woman, I am not a christian. So, would the state of Fla send cash to the LDS church?
Yea, that will happen.